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	<title>Comments on: Survey Shock: Nz&#8217;ers Don&#8217;t Want To Subsidise Big Business</title>
	<link>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/survey-shock-nzers-dont-want-to-subsidise-big-business/</link>
	<description>The Greenpeace NZ blog</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/survey-shock-nzers-dont-want-to-subsidise-big-business/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/survey-shock-nzers-dont-want-to-subsidise-big-business/#comment-845</guid>
		<description>Sigh.

Objection: Climate has always changed. Why are we worried now, and why does it have to be humans' fault?

Answer: Yes, climate has varied in the past, for many different reasons, some better understood than others. Present-day climate change is well understood, and different. Noting that something happened before without humans does not demonstrate that humans are not causing it today.

For example, we see in ice core records from Antarctica and Greenland that the world cycled in and out of glacial periods over 120Kyr cycles. That climate cycle's timing is fairly well understood to be caused by changes in the orbit of the earth, though the mechanism behind the response has not been conclusively established. These orbital cycles are regular and predictable and they are definitely not the cause of today's warming. The other important difference between the glacial-interglacial cycles and today is the rapidity of the current change. The rate of warming is on the order of 10 times faster today than in the ice cores.

Such rapid warming on a global scale is quite rare in the geological record, and while it may not be entirely unprecedented, there is strong evidence that whenever such a change has happened, whatever the cause, it was a catastrophic event for the biosphere.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/232454/78

It will all end when we take collective action to reduce our impact on the environment, or the environment takes action for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Objection: Climate has always changed. Why are we worried now, and why does it have to be humans&#8217; fault?</p>
<p>Answer: Yes, climate has varied in the past, for many different reasons, some better understood than others. Present-day climate change is well understood, and different. Noting that something happened before without humans does not demonstrate that humans are not causing it today.</p>
<p>For example, we see in ice core records from Antarctica and Greenland that the world cycled in and out of glacial periods over 120Kyr cycles. That climate cycle&#8217;s timing is fairly well understood to be caused by changes in the orbit of the earth, though the mechanism behind the response has not been conclusively established. These orbital cycles are regular and predictable and they are definitely not the cause of today&#8217;s warming. The other important difference between the glacial-interglacial cycles and today is the rapidity of the current change. The rate of warming is on the order of 10 times faster today than in the ice cores.</p>
<p>Such rapid warming on a global scale is quite rare in the geological record, and while it may not be entirely unprecedented, there is strong evidence that whenever such a change has happened, whatever the cause, it was a catastrophic event for the biosphere.</p>
<p><a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/232454/78" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/232454/78');">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/232454/78</a></p>
<p>It will all end when we take collective action to reduce our impact on the environment, or the environment takes action for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Collins</title>
		<link>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/survey-shock-nzers-dont-want-to-subsidise-big-business/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/survey-shock-nzers-dont-want-to-subsidise-big-business/#comment-844</guid>
		<description>Climate change...the climate has always been changing, what was it like at your place yesterday?   what is it like today?   what is it going to be like next week?   what will it be like next year? .... NIWA said recently, it will hotter, drier, wetter, frost-free, during the next 80 years!!   is that any different as to what has happened in the past?   the climate is always changing, changing, and changing..
so what is so different?   as for someone not wanting to pay carbon taxes, perhaps your 'viewers' should read the news coming out of the EU, USA, 
Asia...UK want to issue them with credit ration books..big sister/brother will be watching you....When will this all end???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change&#8230;the climate has always been changing, what was it like at your place yesterday?   what is it like today?   what is it going to be like next week?   what will it be like next year? &#8230;. NIWA said recently, it will hotter, drier, wetter, frost-free, during the next 80 years!!   is that any different as to what has happened in the past?   the climate is always changing, changing, and changing..<br />
so what is so different?   as for someone not wanting to pay carbon taxes, perhaps your &#8216;viewers&#8217; should read the news coming out of the EU, USA,<br />
Asia&#8230;UK want to issue them with credit ration books..big sister/brother will be watching you&#8230;.When will this all end???</p>
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