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	<title>Comments on: A few emails vs global scientific consensus: guess who the winner is?</title>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/a-few-emails-vs-global-scientific-consensus-guess-who-the-winner-is/comment-page-1/#comment-1807</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, no one wants to be held under strict controls that could very well undermine their nation&#039;s economic interests!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is, no one wants to be held under strict controls that could very well undermine their nation&#8217;s economic interests!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Wilson</title>
		<link>http://weblog.greenpeace.org.nz/climate-change/a-few-emails-vs-global-scientific-consensus-guess-who-the-winner-is/comment-page-1/#comment-1782</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a real defeatist attitude over this failure at Copenhagen. In fact it seemed to be there before it started. I suspect that is how many people feel at the moment, defeated, clubbed into submission by all the issues of recent times. This gave the &#039;deniers&#039; and those vested interests who didn&#039;t want this to progress very good leverage to work against any deal. The CRU email leak was just icing on the cake for those people, even though it was clear from reading them they weren&#039;t conspiritorial in tone. So everyone has gone for what appears to be the path of least resistance...do nothing. The price may well be the ultimate one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a real defeatist attitude over this failure at Copenhagen. In fact it seemed to be there before it started. I suspect that is how many people feel at the moment, defeated, clubbed into submission by all the issues of recent times. This gave the &#8216;deniers&#8217; and those vested interests who didn&#8217;t want this to progress very good leverage to work against any deal. The CRU email leak was just icing on the cake for those people, even though it was clear from reading them they weren&#8217;t conspiritorial in tone. So everyone has gone for what appears to be the path of least resistance&#8230;do nothing. The price may well be the ultimate one.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author is going to need to do a lot more research than this to convince skeptical scientists! There are many peer-reviewed papers (ie primary source material) that demonstrates that the science &#039;is not settled&#039;. Go do your own home work. Unfortunately the reporters in the main-stream media are not professional enough, or have the scientific background to do it.

The author also needs to discuss and explain some non-science issue. Why has the IPCC pulled its main graph from its 2001 report. The infamous &#039;hockey stick&#039;. Do your own research. How come How come the 30,000 scientists who have signed the &#039;skeptics petition&#039; are never mentioned by most of the media? How come the global cooling over the last 9 years is never mentioned? It is interesting how in the stolen emails it is discussed. They wanted to hide it. Go read for your self. If you can read computer code go and see how the programmer fudged the data. It is all there.  How come some much &#039;raw data&#039; was lost. Scientists don&#039;t loose raw data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author is going to need to do a lot more research than this to convince skeptical scientists! There are many peer-reviewed papers (ie primary source material) that demonstrates that the science &#8216;is not settled&#8217;. Go do your own home work. Unfortunately the reporters in the main-stream media are not professional enough, or have the scientific background to do it.</p>
<p>The author also needs to discuss and explain some non-science issue. Why has the IPCC pulled its main graph from its 2001 report. The infamous &#8216;hockey stick&#8217;. Do your own research. How come How come the 30,000 scientists who have signed the &#8217;skeptics petition&#8217; are never mentioned by most of the media? How come the global cooling over the last 9 years is never mentioned? It is interesting how in the stolen emails it is discussed. They wanted to hide it. Go read for your self. If you can read computer code go and see how the programmer fudged the data. It is all there.  How come some much &#8216;raw data&#8217; was lost. Scientists don&#8217;t loose raw data.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like just about every other big, international conference, from world trade to human rights, it appears the Copenhagen climate summit has ended in a complete fiasco.

BBC: 

{Negotiations at the UN climate summit have been suspended after the African group withdrew co-operation.

    African delegations were angry at what they saw as moves by the Danish host government to sideline talks on more emission cuts under the Kyoto Protocol.

    As news spread around the conference centre, about 200 activists responded with chants of “We stand with Africa – Kyoto targets now”}

Typical.

Between the “Climategate” leaks, and another set of leaks about how developed countries planned to screw over developing ones, the whole thing was doomed from the start. And even without those snags, it was all talk.

There’s no way all the countries in the world can come together and unilaterally slow down their economies for something as vague as climate change, potentially a century off. That’s the bottomline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like just about every other big, international conference, from world trade to human rights, it appears the Copenhagen climate summit has ended in a complete fiasco.</p>
<p>BBC: </p>
<p>{Negotiations at the UN climate summit have been suspended after the African group withdrew co-operation.</p>
<p>    African delegations were angry at what they saw as moves by the Danish host government to sideline talks on more emission cuts under the Kyoto Protocol.</p>
<p>    As news spread around the conference centre, about 200 activists responded with chants of “We stand with Africa – Kyoto targets now”}</p>
<p>Typical.</p>
<p>Between the “Climategate” leaks, and another set of leaks about how developed countries planned to screw over developing ones, the whole thing was doomed from the start. And even without those snags, it was all talk.</p>
<p>There’s no way all the countries in the world can come together and unilaterally slow down their economies for something as vague as climate change, potentially a century off. That’s the bottomline.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Mctague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Mctague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not with the science. Science is only the understanding of the nature of things. Climate change in itself is not a problem as it will happen whether caused by man or not.

If climate change is going to cause us harm then that might be a problem but it might also be unavoidable.

To be civilized suggests we live in a 20`C medium humidity environment with lots of electronic gadgets and endlessly debate the pros and cons of civilization.

I wonder if we are living in a dream created by lazy simplistic attitudes brought about by our forebears, who brought us to safety but did not give us the skills to live within the limits of a safe place.

Are we doing the same to our next generations? It is obvious that future generations will have to undo some of the damage that living in such a free world has allowed to occur. Especially if the human race is to live in harmony with nature as we need to. For nature will behave as it must.

It is a shame that the planet become a victim for our struggle for civilization. And it will become a patient there is no doubt about that. We not only need the planet fit and healthy for the next generations, we need it for fit and healthy for now.

The reality is the problem is with us the humans not with the planet. What is happening to the planet is in the nature of things. We want, and only we can influence the change we want. First we need to work out what we want? For that we need to know what is available. For that Humans must start to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not with the science. Science is only the understanding of the nature of things. Climate change in itself is not a problem as it will happen whether caused by man or not.</p>
<p>If climate change is going to cause us harm then that might be a problem but it might also be unavoidable.</p>
<p>To be civilized suggests we live in a 20`C medium humidity environment with lots of electronic gadgets and endlessly debate the pros and cons of civilization.</p>
<p>I wonder if we are living in a dream created by lazy simplistic attitudes brought about by our forebears, who brought us to safety but did not give us the skills to live within the limits of a safe place.</p>
<p>Are we doing the same to our next generations? It is obvious that future generations will have to undo some of the damage that living in such a free world has allowed to occur. Especially if the human race is to live in harmony with nature as we need to. For nature will behave as it must.</p>
<p>It is a shame that the planet become a victim for our struggle for civilization. And it will become a patient there is no doubt about that. We not only need the planet fit and healthy for the next generations, we need it for fit and healthy for now.</p>
<p>The reality is the problem is with us the humans not with the planet. What is happening to the planet is in the nature of things. We want, and only we can influence the change we want. First we need to work out what we want? For that we need to know what is available. For that Humans must start to be honest.</p>
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